Protest Poll.

[JOCOOL]

It seems to me that we are still a bit unsure as to what our issue will be. I will post a poll which will have a few options, and I urge ALL Sydney Angler members to have their say. This is not being organised to benefit just one person or group, but rather for ALL members of the recreational fishing community.

Come on guys....... GET INVOLVED!

I have cast my vote for the MP issue.

[Grantm]

Although a multi point approach would be good i dont think we are organised enough as rec fisho's in general to have an effective result.

I am totaly opposed to marine parks but feel their is an opportunity to attack the pro fishing issue at the moment, and i picked pro's in our bays and estuaries.

The commercial fisho's have had a lot of press of late with them being removed from the harbour, the implementation of RFH'S ( although that is a bit old now it got people thinking ) and their very recent blockage of the river. Strike while the iron is hot is say.

With all this press commercial fishing has been put in the spotlight and maybe for a limited time, lets pull the trigger while their eyes are glowing.

I know the marine park issue is a MAJOR threat but perhaps it needs a better stage or focal point to have maximum effect. Either way we go I fully support it.:)

I still believe you cant have a protect based on heaps of different issues. When people want to know what its about your need an hour to try to explain it.Too complex, keep it simple. ie NO MARINE PARKS or REMOVE THE PRO SLAUGHTER FROM OUR RIVERS.

Alternativley a rally simply supporting a family based fishing message in our harbours that show we are supporting good honest family values while enjoying our pastime may be worth a go. Maybe rallying for whats rights instead of pointing out whats wrong would be good. Support family rights,that always gets good press.
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[JOCOOL]

Alternativley a rally simply supporting a family based fishing message in our harbours that show we are supporting good honest family values while enjoying our pastime may be worth a go. Maybe rallying for whats rights instead of pointing out whats wrong would be good. Support family rights,that always gets good press.
:D
I have to admit, this last bit makes a lot of sense! What could be better than enjoying a day on the water with the kids, and still being on the 6 oclock news?:rolleyes:

[bluecod]

...... a rally simply supporting a family based fishing message in our harbours that show we are supporting good honest family values while enjoying our pastime may be worth a go. ..... Support family rights,that always gets good press.
:D

I know where you're coming from Grant and don't necessarily disagree, however, "family first etc" has a political bend to it that unnerves me. :eek:

I have no objection to involving family rights, along with individual rights, just as long as the family theme wasn't the primary one.

With so many issues of concern affecting us, we also stand the chance of falling into disunity, which is what the fringe elements count on as we will never proffer a united front supported by the majority of anglers.

I think the idea of a rally is a good one [rather than a protest] just to show the elected officials that fisherpeople can unite - and let the obvious threat to their existence [at the polls] speak for itself.

A rally of fisherpeople concerned about government actions - the themes can come out in the detail, if the press ask that of the organisers. It will also allow smaller groups to voice their individual concerns.

If the press is managed effectively one large rally should be able to put across a number of issues.

[Peril]

For me, the overall issue has to be based on sustainable use of our marine environment. This means no arbitrary lockouts from fisheries. It also means the reduction and removal of unsustainable commercial fishing practices.

I voted for marine parks because I think this is the greatest threat to us at the moment. However if the theme is sustainability then we can protest against unjustified closures and at the same time protest against unsustainable practices that damage the environment, such as drag netting.

[JOCOOL]

I voted for marine parks because I think this is the greatest threat to us at the moment. However if the theme is sustainability then we can protest against unjustified closures and at the same time protest against unsustainable practices that damage the environment, such as drag netting.
Top call Dave. This extra discussion will change our thinking somewhat.

So maye a RALLY rather than a full blown protest?

[Grantm]

Is it just me or is the response to this a little light on ? I am a cynic no doubt, but i was hoping to see a bit more interest. Id love to see more people than the 'usuals' having a say.


Maybe we should have put another option in the poll : I dont care :eek:

Told you i was a cynic.:confused:

[disco stu]

I liked Perils suggestion, as it seems to be the issue in my eyes. I have a lot of trouble seeing the marine park issue clearly, as on one side is me who doesnt like them but then there is so much I do at uni that involves marine parks, like....I just handed an assignment in today on Dugongs and a lot of the papers used in this assignment were written calling for better protecton of Dugong habitat, recently had a big class discussion on a large paper we read on marine protected areas in NZ and their effect on certain fish. A lot of what Ive read lately isnt all bad about marine parks, its just the smeg headed idiots who love the cute cuddly baby seals and penguins when theyre too smashed to see the light of day that piss me off. The management of them isnt good at all.

The JB marine park would be a great place for lots of research into their effectivness-there is one biologist working the creek in Huski looking at nippers. Her funding has almost run out and then thats it from what Ive heard. They spend more on policing the place than researching it. Thats why all the stuff relevant to us is from NZ.

On the sustainable path-I voted for pro fishing in general. I dont think its all wrong, just 99.9% of it:) No, I think some is alright, but there needs to be better management of it with a lot going into sustainable catch and especially by catch as shown by the recent shinola that went on up in QLD.

My thoughts
Cheers stu

[JOCOOL]

there is so much I do at uni that involves marine parks, .............recently had a big class discussion on a large paper we read on marine protected areas in NZ and their effect on certain fish. ............ its just the smeg headed idiots .............theyre too smashed to see the light of day........ The management of them isnt good at all.
Stu, its great that you have shared that with us.

Without trying to get into the nitty gritty of it all, with your biology backround, do you see the planning and zoning process has been done with any scientific accuracy? And as a scientist, do you agree with the drivel that has come from the government and the greenie movement?

[disco stu]

Oh man. You had to ask.

A lot of stuff is accepted as fact that is very not so-global warming, evolution the list could go on. I think a lot of this has come into Marine parks as well. From what Ive read, the spill over effect doesnt really happen all that effectivly. I think the biggest benefit from marine parks is the prtection of bottom strata that gets ripped up from bottom trawling, some of it is shocking. But that doesnt mean recs cause the problem.

I dont think the planning has been done with accuracy, but im also nowhere near an expert, very far from it. It seems they are grabbing at what they can. If its popular area without getting too many people off side they seem to want it-Ive never heard sydney harbour mentioned (just wait, Ill get proved wrong on this) I dont see any areas that are unique as in protecting Dugongs or other endangered animals. They say areas of high biodiversity, but there isnt many areas that dont have high biodiversity, especially in the coastal oceans.

A lot of the stuff that gets said is what they say overseas to promote MPAs. A lot of what recs say is also from the same stock. You all know how if you want evidence for an argument you will find it, that seems to happen a lot. Hell, I do the same thing for assignments at uni, otherwise I would there all year just trying to find the "right" answer for a topic. I dissagree with a lot of what gets said promoting marine parks, I wont bother saying which ones as you all disagree as well. But I also disagree with some of the things that get said from opponents to marine parks. I was going to help a guy out who has an organisation fighting marine parks but stepped back because of certain things. He didnt want any changes to bag limits, I have no problem with lowering bag limits but I dont really enjoy eating fish (the greenies hate that:D ) I think its not hard to get feed of fish if thats all your after. It might not be the fish you want to eat, but you can always do a flattie drift on the way back to the ramp if your desperate for something.

I dont trust greenies at all but there are people for MPAs who have valid arguments.

Hope this is what your after, sorry its a bit rushed together. Im tired-just got home from work and have trouble writing what Im thinking at the best of times:)

[JOCOOL]

Hope this is what your after, sorry its a bit rushed together.
Thanks, thats tops Stu. I just thought your take, being in the industry so to speak, would be good to know!:D

[Gav]

ive gone against the commercial fishing,it sh1ts me to tears watching them drag their nets as if they were mowing lawns and then throwing all the dead fish overboard when they have finished.im not much of a reader so i havnt read alot about the marine parks except whats been posted on this site,but i dont like the idea of that either.would it be better to try and stop the slaughter of the fish stocks first before trying to stop the marine parks?if everyone goes against the parks and they still get their way,we'll be stuck with a double whammie,there wont be any good spots to fish and there still wont be many fish around because the pros wound have already caught them all.

[bluecod]

Gav,

There's undoubtedly two evils that need addressing - estuaries will recover from years of pro fishing so you can fish them [Botany Bay] and get a feed - but if you're locked out you can't fish them. What needs fixing first ?

[JOCOOL]

I don't know what to make of this! 26 votes. What sort of conclusion am I to draw from that?:o :o

[bluecod]

Don't despair yet Joe! The Port Stephens Draft Zoning Plans should shake them out of their APATHY as the next marine park will be closer to home :eek:

[Grantm]

Ive said it before and ill say it again, our biggest challenge is by far getting people involved. I can understand people not wanting to gets 'hands on' but its sad when an online poll cant draw more interest.:(

[fishaman635]

Yes I think their are more than 36 of us !!!!!

Have your say, you will be the one complaining !!!

Laurie

[fishaman635]

Complaining ,did I say???

I better get back to painting !!!!


NO FISHING anyway !!!!

Laurie

[Peril]

What's happening with this guys? The articles in the herald and the responses to them make now a perfect time for a show of strength. To the barricades, not the bar.

[JOCOOL]

Very true what you say Dave. But un-fortunately it doesn't seem anyone wants to do anything about it.

There is an old saying in arabic, that says you can't clap one handed. We need a few hands to be able to clap. It's going to look mighty funny if 3 boats show up at an organised rally!:o :o

[JOCOOL]

Incidently, I think the perfect venue for a rally would have to be Darling Harbour.!:rolleyes: I was walking round there today, and I think it would give us heaps of publicity if done properly!