Rods...Advice accepted!

[JOCOOL]

If you guys have been following my ramblings, :o then you will know that I have gained an un-healthy and finance-depleting interest in smaller reels. I have purchased a Charter Special 1000, and a Daiwa LD30H. I am on the lookout for a TLD 5, and still have an Avet SX 51 firmly in my sights.

Here is the crunch!

My plan is to spool them as follows:
CS 1000....4KG
TLD 5.......5KG
Daiwa.......6KG
Avet.........8KG

I have looked at teaming a couple of them with some of the newer high modulus graphite rods. Having looked around at various rods that would suit the weight class I am looking at, I have found that most of them won't allow the reels to fit on the rods. The reel seat hoods are too restrictive! Most of the rods I have looked at have the trigger grips, which are too narrow in the seat to accept these reels.:mad:

Does anyone have any idea what rods would be suitable without having to build specifically for each reel?

I have looked at the Shimano X-Cel weapon range, and the 7 foot 6KG stick is awesome...but not available as an over head mount. The T-Curves, which feel great, are too narrow. And if I look at more traditional rods such as an Ugly Stick, then they are just too big in the butt diameter for my liking. Even the Wilson Live Fibre range doesn't suit too well.

The only one that I could find that may be a go, was a G-Loomis, in the Bluewater range, but I don't want to spend $400 on a rod!:eek:

Ideas?

[allenglover]

If you guys have been following my ramblings, :o then you will know that I have gained an un-healthy and finance-depleting interest in smaller reels. I have purchased a Charter Special 1000, and a Daiwa LD30H. I am on the lookout for a TLD 5, and still have an Avet SX 51 firmly in my sights.

Here is the crunch!

My plan is to spool them as follows:
CS 1000....4KG
TLD 5.......5KG
Daiwa.......6KG
Avet.........8KG

I have looked at teaming a couple of them with some of the newer high modulus graphite rods. Having looked around at various rods that would suit the weight class I am looking at, I have found that most of them won't allow the reels to fit on the rods. The reel seat hoods are too restrictive! Most of the rods I have looked at have the trigger grips, which are too narrow in the seat to accept these reels.:mad:

Does anyone have any idea what rods would be suitable without having to build specifically for each reel?

I have looked at the Shimano X-Cel weapon range, and the 7 foot 6KG stick is awesome...but not available as an over head mount. The T-Curves, which feel great, are too narrow. And if I look at more traditional rods such as an Ugly Stick, then they are just too big in the butt diameter for my liking. Even the Wilson Live Fibre range doesn't suit too well.

The only one that I could find that may be a go, was a G-Loomis, in the Bluewater range, but I don't want to spend $400 on a rod!:eek:

Ideas?


simple fix is to get a file and reduce the foot width done it myself with good success

A

[JOCOOL]

AG...I see your reading this right now.....:D What's your suggestion?

EDIT: I just read your reply. And that works OK for you????

[Bashir]

what are you planning on using the rods for?

[JOCOOL]

Bit of a mixture actually Bashir. The Avet will be used for some throwing bigger lures around, and possibly live baiting. The rod I get for that will need to be light to allow good casting. Actually, the rod I have short listed for the Avet if I get something of the shelf, will be a Daiwa Coastal Tournament in a 7 ft one piece. They seem like a tough, light rod and looks fairly well built.

The others will be used for bait fishing predominantly. So I could possibly get away with something heavier if need be. But I would still prefer a lighter rod as it will better suit the smaller reels. I amy have another look at a couple of Ugly's or even look at building a Live Fibre blank myself. Damn...It's been a while since I built a rod.:o

[bluecod]

.....even look at building a Live Fibre blank myself. Damn...It's been a while since I built a rod.:o

.... but not a bad way to spend a few hours during winter, especially if it is raining. :)

[Bashir]

yeh joe because a couple of years ago I was after similar rods for my abus, basically a heavy duty double handed baitcaster / overhead type thing and they are pretty hard to find off the rack! I think i remember finding some penn powerstick rods, but they wouldn't do any of those reels justice. Keep looking and you will find something otherwise custom built is the way to go, there are plenty of good blanks to look at and the kilwell live fibres would be an awesome choice, I have a couple of rods built on them and they're great.

[JOCOOL]

Thanks Bashir. Yes it has been a bit hard to get a rod that will do them justice.

If I were to build one up, do you think it would be worth doing one of them as a spiral? Thats where the guides start on top of the blank as per normal overheads, but then twists to under the blank further along. Anyone used this style of rod? They say it works great as it minimises the torque of the rod trying to spin around in your hand.

[Bashir]

I've used them and they are real good things, I would try one for sure, very comfortable to fish with. Not sure if they are ok for casting, no experience there..........AG can you take over.:o

[changa]

Joe,

I wanted a light but fairly gutsy rod for my 4kg setup for chasing gamefish.
I want to pin a marlin on 4kg and still yet to do so but been close.
I previously was using a diawa millionaire CVZ on one of those miller designed barra rods. Cant remember the exact model but it takes the CVZ and lately i fitted a TLD 10 to it catching YFT to 15kg (but it was loaded with 6kg)
The 6kg is just that bit much for the rod, especially when you go to sunset although it is rated for that line class.
The reels fitted this rod without any filing or mods.
This rod goes to cairns every time i go and its caught some thumping fish using 9lb fireline. My mate took his custom miller rod and its the spittin image of mine but his was 4 times the price and both performed fantastic(when i say that, there is obviously a bit of differencem but not very noticible and i cant justify customs. i still caught more than him.....:p ;) )


changa

[allenglover]

AG...I see your reading this right now.....:D What's your suggestion?

EDIT: I just read your reply. And that works OK for you????


LOL I think you can imagine what my suggestion will be but as Im not a sponsor here Im not going to tout.
As you are looking at factory rods it all depends on budget. As you know there are thousands of alternatives available and im sure you will find one that suits just dont settle on the first and prettiest.
If your really keen on the rods you have already mentioned then the only fix is the foot grind. A proper reseat isnt really an option unless you want to add another $80-$100 to each rod.

Just read throught his whole string. Give me a hoi on 0419895074 and I may be able to get a thing or two down to you that you can have a play with.



A

[beats]

Joe, ask around alot before you make one in a spyral. the graphite may not like being twisted, Ka-pow....Thats high modulas for you, maybe composite might be a better option for that type of guide application.

[JOCOOL]

LOL I think you can imagine what my suggestion will be but as Im not a sponsor here Im not going to tout.
Alan, just because your not a sponsor, that doesn't mean you can't say what you think! Death to Shimano, right??:D :D

I realise what your stance is, but I would still value your honest opinion, as I'm sure all the other members would. Will call you.:)

[JOCOOL]

Joe, ask around alot before you make one in a spyral. the graphite may not like being twisted, Ka-pow....
I did ask around, and from what I have learnt, it's a furphy Greg. In any case, with the line going around you aren't really twisting the rod, just changing the line direction.

[JOCOOL]

Give me a hoi on 0419895074 and I may be able to get a thing or two down to you that you can have a play with.

Thanks AG...your a true gentleman. Look forward to getting them mate.:D

[allenglover]

Joe, ask around alot before you make one in a spyral. the graphite may not like being twisted, Ka-pow....Thats high modulas for you, maybe composite might be a better option for that type of guide application.

1 kg blanks may be an issue but other high mod graphite blanks handle it as the area where the spiral occurs is very low down on the blank.
Any potential to twist the blank is based on guide placement. Take a straight 90 degree offset spiral. When the line is under load the forces at the changeover guide are actually all towards the blank rather than downwards.
Think of what would happen if the spiral guide wasn't there the line would be touching the blank. That is still the direction it wants to go when through a guide and under load.
Even with oblique angled guides a fair proportion of this load is directly towards the blank

[beats]

Seen a high mod 4kg built spyral blow up between stripper & next guide, thats why i mensioned it , maybe a 1 off, who knows.

[Target]

Beats
It may be a little to do with the way that the spiral is set up too, or more than likely some other form of damage to the blank that contributed to the rod failing when loaded. We dont ever think to mention that a conventional overhead rod was built poorly or badly designed when they break do we? In actual fact, the tourque on a spiral wrap rod is less than a conventional rod due to the guides sitting on the bottom of the rod not trying to turn/twist the rod over when loaded.
For interest, I have a 3 to 4kg graphite blank made up as a baitcaster in spiral wrap, loaded with 10lb braid that is occasionaly locked up - never a creak, and gone through many a decent fish.

Adrian