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roosterman
11-07-2008, 12:41 AM
Blackfish Basics by Roosterman

Gathering bait
it is a cheap way of fishing when the bait you use is freely available along most rock platforms and ocean rock pools. It is also found in estuary systems and rivers but harder to find. There are 2 main types of weed, string/ribbon type and cabbage.string weed is most common in the river estuary systems but some ocean rock pools also have it. Cabbage type is easier to come by and is everywhere along the coastal rocks and beach headlands. When you harvest your weed be responsible and take only whats needed and if there is enough get some for burly..the weed generally dies off a lot through the colder winter months. It is best not to squeeze the water out but let excess water drain but if in a hurry a gentle squeeze is ok.lay weed in newspaperor hessian bag and fold / roll up and put in bag.you can keep it in bottom of the fridge for up to a week but fresh is always best.


Burley
After you have sorted out whats needed for bait you can chop the rest very finely and put in bucket/container for burley.i found the easies way to mix burley is to tip all the chopped mix in a pile on dry sand beach.dig up a nice pile of dry sand, now get a handful of weed mix put on top of small pile of sand and keep picking up and rubbing between hands until mixed.put pile into bucket and continue until all done.when you arrive at fishing spot put enough water in to wet sand so you can make little burly bombs.

Rigging Up
I like to use a light rod around 6lb to 10lb and about 10 to 12ft long. the length helps to steer the fish away from structure when they fight dirty. I also match this with an alvey sidecast but an eggbeater style is ok also. I like to use 10lb mono line not braid as I like to have the stretch mono provides when those big niggers give you some stick. they have soft mouths so it helps. This is just my personal opinion and I know others that use braid and catch fish.. I like to use a size 10 hook and generally use a 2 hook rig , this helps to find target depth and also able to try different baits.eg cabbage one hook and string the other. Thread your stopper onto line then your float put your small ball sinker on then your swivel (3 way if 2 hook setup) put a trace/leader of lighter line 4lb/6lb of between 150mm to 200mm put another a small ball sinker then swivel. Put another trace/leader of same about 100mm to 150mm then hook, if using 2 hook setup only use shorter length of around 100mm on top hook.. its trial and error at first with sinker weights but you must keep the bottom weights heavier so it casts and sits better. i like these removable splitshots to fine tune my float, cannot recommend them enough.I like to have enough weight to keep the float as close to neutral buoyancy as conditions allow, this means it takes less to make the float go down and less resistance for the fish to feel… this takes practice and usually carefully watch float at first to see how it behaves on the day…..For the stopper I found these great cheap rubber ones that are on wire loop and you thread mainline through loop and pull stopper onto line(make sure you wet first to stop line damage as you do when tying knots and whenever moving stopper…

Baiting Up
When using string weed get a thin piece of a couple strands then starting at the bottom of hook leave about 10mm then wind up hook about three turns trying to keep tight. one or two more turns around line section then twist to get nice and firm around hook and line. repeat this down the line then thread last strands over the hook barb then pinch excess off about 5mm to 15mm depending on fish biting. Bait should be nice and straight and thin with a nice tail piece fluffing out when put into water, good to check for this when new.
When using cabbage if its thin slender stuff you can try similar style to fit on hook. If its regular big leaf variety then get one piece and fold a little bit on end/corner and thread onto hook pass hook through a couple of times and use a half hitch loop to hold top of bait to line…
Now with all nigger baits you do not want big clumps of bait, remember they have small soft mouths.. Bait presentation will mean the difference if fish are fussy.

Fishing Spots
The things to look out for are good weed and kelp areas as this is where they congregate. You will find most ferry wharves and jetties good nigger territory. Also along breakwalls and shorelines with kelp beds. If fishing from the ocean rocks look for gutters and fish the edges of the wash.
when they are spawning in winter around july/august they will congregate in large schools and will be under wharves/structure and playing in kelp/ribbonweed beds sometimes seen to roll on there sides playing.
also you will find big winter bream schooled up with them in spawning season and catching one on weed is not uncommon.

fishing
When first starting to fish move your stopper to give more depth than where fishing, float should lay on side as sinkers rest on bottom..Now move stopper until float rights itself.. You want to start fishing just off the bottom.. If you don’t get any downs/hits within a few drifts (try different areas in close out wider close to pylons/walls) then keep changing depths until you find where they are feeding…keep an eye on stopper depth as sometimes when you wind in especially fighting a fish the stopper may catch on rod tip or runner and slide changing your target depth..this can mean when bait put back in water your fishing the wrong depth. usually they have a good feed on first light hitting the water but will feed throughout the day. some spots prefer different tides etc.You can increase your success rate by using burly to either bring them on the bite or keep them in the target zone… remember to use the same weed as your bait chopped very fine, mix with sand and wet so you can make little burly bombs.. Now do not overdo this, you want to tempt them into taking your bigger bait not feed them. also beware weed is light and will flow downstream and you may end up making the feeding zone further down current from where your fishing.i like to try and get different types of bait when possible as sometimes niggers can get very fussy and the crap they turn down today they go nuts on tomorrow. This is when experience and skill come into it to get success..
Take the time when first starting to notice how your float reacts in normal conditions so you can see when something’s happening that’s not normal,eg wave actions/current/hooking certain bottom structures in kelp etc. keep an eye on your mainline to your float tip,(some vasaline helps to keep it floating but I don’t use it normally)and keep feeding line and watching so you have just enough slack that you can lift rod to strike if needed.. When you see your float go down,( this is why a nigger bite is generally referred to as a down) or anything out of the norm can mean fish action..It does not always go down..it can have slight jerks/stops drifting (fish mouthing bait) / sideways moving / float lifting (usually means your fishing too deep as fish grabs bait and swims back up to feeding zone) float can lift if you’re on bottom also. when you do get a bite you mostly wait between 5 to 10 seconds then lift rod firmly to set hook. be careful as they have small soft mouths. if your float starts to come back up before striking wait till he grabs bait again then strike after a few seconds.. now this varies on how they are feeding so trial and error is the key on the day.try different tactics if you don’t have any luck, this is where experience really helps...
Once hooked play the fish away from structure and then gently get him to the surface,now be careful as they have a big powerful tail and give a good account of themselves.once the fish is getting tired you get him to the surface hand he will splash about on his side shaking his head.very important keep him in this position without lifting his head out of water and do not let him drop his head back down otherwise he will swim upright and make a run for that nearby structure. Slowly guide him into awaiting net and your done.legal size is 25cm but as of 3rd September 2007 it will be 27cm and limit of 20. Put him into a keeper net to keep him alive. Using some basics here you will Taylor your own skills and theories as different places req different needs…

Cleaning your catch
at the end of fishing you need to bleed your catch, I just cut their throat and bend head back a bit then put back into keeper net and jiggle net if required. After about 5 or so minutes you can get them back up and scale and gut them. It is very important you get the black lining off the stomach wall of the catch otherwise it will taint the fish and spoil it… this is why you never buy them from the fish shop as they have a dirty taste from not being cleaned properly. they have a beautiful flavour and one of my top fish to eat and if cleaned and boneless filleted put in lightly greased baking dish with a little fresh cracked salt/pepper and cooked for about 10 to 15 min at 150c to 180c yummo.
I hope this gives you enough to get into the art of blackfish, it’s a very rewarding style of fishing and at times requires a lot of thinking and float work as you are always trying something to get that great adrenaline pumping down. So what are you waiting for get down and get some weed and try it out armed with these basics you too can score some nice niggers…
Tight lines guys...... Steve……. Roosterman..

a diagram of typical rig used by me

Alex
11-07-2008, 01:05 AM
Sh*t! :eek: :appl:

ummmm, mods, I think this should replace the ambition thread in the sticky's. :appl:

bluecod
11-07-2008, 01:10 AM
Great post Steve :appl:

Now if someone can't catch a blackfish after reading all that, they haven't been burleying properly :noway: An old timer up the coast also advised to add a couple of handfuls of pollard to the burley mix - haven't tried it yet but managed to get some today to see how it goes.

I'll agree that less is best when it comes to bait and a couple of other things that may help is to vaseline your main line to make it float and to also get a telescopic landing net with a handle of around ten feet - there's some cheapies getting around but they do the job.

Scrat Rat
11-07-2008, 08:42 AM
super effort that

Cheers

peter

JOCOOL
11-07-2008, 09:20 AM
Nice work! I have made it sticky.:Tumb up:

maxjohno
11-07-2008, 10:45 AM
what a good read and well told
i present my bait a bit different but im gonna try your way this weekend and see how i go :Tumb up: thanks for the tips and i think we should have a blackfish day !! id be there:Tumb up:

Mark

raichu
11-07-2008, 11:02 AM
Wow! That would be have to be one of the most comprehensive fishing guides I have ever read. The text alone is so very helpful and then you provide us with a cool diagram as well! Absolutely fantastic! Thank you for a great report and a good read. :notworthy: Much more detailed than some books I've read. :notworthy:

Now I just need to find an opportunity to put this superb info into action!
Thank you for your efforts and cheers, :appl:

dav14u
11-07-2008, 12:40 PM
Top stuff..very informative :appl: :appl:

Gee009
11-07-2008, 12:44 PM
Thats great info mate. Might try to target them sometime soon :goodone:

roosterman
11-07-2008, 09:47 PM
thanks for the replies and kind words :D
i may eventually do my little project video if i can get my ass into gear this year while there on the chew ....

bluecod , yeh i did forget about the long extendable net thats especially needed at alot of low tide spots or breakwalls etc.. had current one about 10yrs and think it was only 20 bux or so,more than paid for itself......
Blackfish are very underrated table tucker and this is mainly due to the cleaning issues and most people only able to buy from shops etc..they have a real nice flavour if treated correctly.

thanx joe for making this a sticky as i think it will help guys get the basics and hopefully get into some of these bronzed beasts..

Mark, i think a blackfish day is a great idea and would prob be best to have it somewhere in the harbour between now and the end of august while they are schooled up and spawn feeding.. but not necessary as you can get them all year anyway...

heres a pic of some of my cedar floats and cork/skewer ones.gota love those great colors eh...

cheers...steve.....

raichu
11-07-2008, 10:18 PM
I will second Roosterman's comments re how tasty blackfish can be. They are a completely underrated eating fish and they do need to be treated with respect. The trick is prompt bleeding and a thorough clean of the guts/stomach. Blackfish like sifting through weed beds and pick up a lot of stuff in their guts along the way. Give them a good clean and gutting, cook 'em fresh, preferably on the day of catching, and you will have yourself a great meal. :Tumb up:

I used to know a guy called Mick who was a blackfish specialist even though he would never call himself that. He would have loved reading your post Roosterman!

Thanks again, and if there is a blackfish day, well I'll do my best to be there!!!

Alex
12-07-2008, 12:02 AM
If there's a blackfish day I'll try my best to get there, but do you have to supply your own weed? :o I hope not or else it'll be that party I went to all over again. rofl rofl rofl

Landbased?

macman
12-07-2008, 11:30 PM
Top effort Roosterman,

some great advice in there.

I reckon niggers are great tucker, but I no longer bother gutting them or scaling them, just fillet and skin and put the rest in the freezer for crab baits, or mince up for the berley pot.

Also sidecasts and threadies are good especially when starting out, but there is nothing quite like a centrepin for niggers, especially with a well weighted float, that you can cast.

Great to see some fellow blackfishermen on the site.

Matt

kaniSS
17-07-2008, 12:47 PM
Roosterman,

Does blackfish taste ok? Ive never caught or had one for dinner...

Kaniss..

philzero44
12-09-2008, 03:14 PM
Using two hooks how do you stop them getting tangled up.I've tried using one long line and with a shorter one but still get tangled.Thanks Phil

roosterman
12-09-2008, 09:32 PM
hi kaniSS, as mentioned niggers are great table tucker but need to be blead/cleaned properly...

hi philzero44, if you follow that word doc pic for your rig you should be ok..
but make sure the heaviest weight is bottom and that length of traces is so that both hooks cannot reach each other...
hope this helps... if not let me know and we can go into more detail...
also be careful how you cast as a shocking cast style will negate any good rig style.......
cheers...steve....

yogiharrison
30-12-2008, 05:26 PM
Great read about Blackfish. I am feeling very guilty, as I brought a new boat last year and have been fishing for flathead, Snapper and Bream, no Blackfishing. I was brought up with Blackfishing, and my grandfather tought me everything he knows. He has been fishing for Blackfish since the WW2. I have been taught how to fish in rivers and off the rocks. My best cause of fishing is from the rocks, as I have caught some really big ones. I don't fish for Blackfish anymore, but reading your article, I might dush off the rods and cleates and go down to the rocks at Kurnell. I don't like fishing by myself that much, and every since the old fellow has past away, I rearly fish with anyone.

If any one wants to venture to the rocks, please wear cleates and if fishing alone, wear a life jacket. I wear one when on the rock by myself and also have a small rope so I can attach the life jacket if I see anyone going into the ocean. I have been knocked on the rocks by the water twice in 30years and it is not a pleasant feeling. I can still see the scares on my hand when I am typing, and it reminds me to very safe.

I do not go onto a rock if it looks washed out. I watch the ocean for at least 10 15 minutes before I go on.

The Blackfish is one of the best fish to catch, and when caught the best method I find of cleaning, is to fillet and skin when you clean them. DO NOT leave the black lining in the fish as it will make the fish taste like cramp.

Tight Lines
YOGI

Flathead Zac
07-02-2009, 04:34 PM
A am also a blackfisher but i get bored alot with them, instead of weed i stick on a prawn for some bream but when its a good day i catch a couple.

And i also go bait fishing with the my blackfish rig for some yakka and i catch alot most was about 20 i think i kept 2 for bait and also kept 2 baby tailor for some flathead.

One day me and my mate went fishing for niggers(its abit rasist ayy BLACKfish NIGGERS oh well) and another one of my mate came down to check out hows the fishing caught acouple, so he went to go get all his gear, he walked off the boooom got hooked:headbang: so did my mate:headbang: reeled in the hook came loose :angry4:same with him rofl then boom boom on again:headbang:, my mate ended up landing his:brickwall: then myn fell of again!!!!!!!!:BangHead::BangHead::BangHead: then hooked up again :eek::eek:( i know hard to beleive but true) then stood up to try and drive it away from structer and did then say some colour silvery colour wasnt a black fish turned out to be a nice 30cm bream. So i was happy:p

Also try adding abit of bread to the burley and try a spider hitch knot or a figure 8 knot thread the hook on (like through the eye of the hook and around the hole hook) then your left with like a hole above the hook get some weed roll it up like a snake shape but the middle of it onto the hole created with the knot then get one side and rap the weed around the hook and then get the other side of the weed and do the same thing to cover the hook, make sure you cant see the hook.

And when i fish(you dont HAVE to do this i do it because it workes with me) i wait 20 seconds then strike heck it workes for me.

And another thing 4 use that r into jewfishing fillets are good bait for jewies
but not as good as some yakka and tailor but still good bait:p

but still thnx for the info might try that recipe you said.:rolleyes:

(sorry about spelling errors)

masterfisho
22-08-2010, 08:09 AM
Being a blackfish fisherman also that is some fine work Steve good help to all who fish for blackfish.thanks for the info.

AndreP
24-08-2010, 12:41 AM
Great information on targetting blackfish I might start blackfoshing now !

AndreP
24-08-2010, 12:43 AM
Blackfishing * ^

Monterey
24-08-2010, 05:12 PM
roosterman

your a legend!!

KillerPython
24-08-2010, 06:15 PM
excellent post! some great advise there!!!!

Chris
25-08-2010, 08:51 PM
I must have missed this,

Well done Steve!!!

great read!