POLL: Should Peter Garrett get the sack?

[Andy_from_the_CJ]

News poll here:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/polls/popup/-/poll_id/51981

Today's Poll
6352 votes since Feb 10 2010

Should Peter Garrett get the sack?

Yes 64% 4063 votes
No 36% 2289 votes

Fingers crossed that this public menace, who puts his foreign greenie mates before what's best for Australia, is on political death watch. The mind boggles at to what secret promises he's made to Humane Society International and the Pew Group, in exchange for their support at the next Federal election. Cheers, Andy

[Butcher]

He has done so little that is truely productive with a portfolio where the govt has showered money in a shotgun approach to everything.

Nobody could be happy with his performance at any level. Just shows what happens with inexperienced politicians as they become ineffective at every level and puppets for their boss - we as teh public get rooted.

What a lost opportunity for Australia.

We could have had , more fish, more science, more properly protected environment , less poaching of Aussie fish stocks and instead we got fluffy bullcrap, stupid carbon crap on insulation so poorly managed.

Simply they will put some lipstick on the same pig ( that is a enquiry) and hope the bad publicity goes away - that's politics.

I don't think the crop on either side of politics are doing much good for Australia as they are all avoiding any sort of commitment to long term planning as that means taking decisions - even if they are wrong it is better than pissing all the money and time up against the wall with enquiry after enquiry with rigged questions and even then don't act on them.

Pathetic and we all get left behind the rest of the world.

Double the population - my bum hole - no way I'll vote for anyone suggesting that just to get more taxpayers to pay the bills.

[go_fish]

YES - he should.

Although at the moment....

I don't think the crop on either side of politics are doing much good for Australia

They will probably get re-elected though because the opposition want to put us back in the dark ages as far as womens rights go.

The National Party seem to be the only ones voicing what we want to hear at the moment. If only they would break away from the libs and run their own candidates in the cities.

[Grozzo]

If he goes, who takes his place? Someone better? Someone worse??

[Andy_from_the_CJ]

Well said, Butcher. What gets on my wick is that there is SO MUCH Garrett could be doing, to address the endangered species disaster. But I guess targeted programs benefiting non sexy native animals like antechinus don't win votes or press. Whereas if you ban fishing for mako sharks your pals at Humane Society International will spend money on your marginal seats campaigns. Tim Blair has an excellent roundup on the Midnight Foil disaster, including this observation:

The same number died during just one year of the Rudd/Garrett insulation scheme as were killed during the first five years of our involvement in Afghanistan.

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegr...eater_garrett/

[grex]

Prior to the election I was reasonably impressed with P.G. but recall he made a major blunder just prior to the election. He still got a ministry all be it about 50% of his shadow minister. I think the other half went to Penny Wong.

Since then Garrett has just jumped from on disaster to another perhaps not enough for Rudd to replace him as a single move but suspect , when Rudd has his next front bench reshuffle PG will get the flick.

We will see

Geoff

[Stompa]

as of 9.05 am this morning 12.02.10
Yes 63% 5615 votes
No 37% 3280 votes

[mib]

Looks like it's settled down to the final averages unless some voter change their mind. But then again these straw polls are of limited value as those who can't be arsed or don't have a passion one way or the other aren't likely to participate in these polls.

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Yes 63% 6113 votes
No 37% 3582 votes

[bluecod]

The blokes a complete balls-up - how many dead ?? 8 or 9 !!
Not only should he be sacked, he should be thrown out of parliament and charged with unwitting manslaughter!

[JOCOOL]

Can he be charged with just being a ****wit and a cop out?

[Andy_from_the_CJ]

George, Tim Blair said today (about Garrett):

HOW CAN YOU SLEEP, WHILE OUR BATTS ARE BURNING?

How good is that? Pure gold.

[Gambler]

I don't pay much attention to politics. I don't get this, so I have 2 questions.
How can it be Garret's fault?
What exactly would he be sacked for?
As far as I know all he done was introduce the scheme.
He didn't go onsite and physicaly force anyone to do anything.
The greedy owners/managers of the companies contracted to install the bats are at fault in my eyes. They are the ones hiring young naive people and then forcing them to work in the conditions which ended up killing them.
What has Garret got to do with that?
Where were the safety officers, site foreman, work cover, unions even?
If 1 of my family were harmed or injured through being forced to work in a roof in rediculous heat, it would be the employer and foreman I'd want to
talk to and/or kill, not the politician who created the scheme.

I have no affiliation with anyone involved in politics in any way.

[roosterman]

Yes 63% 6159 votes
No 37% 3592 votes
as of 11.30am sat......

i didnt realise there were 3592 bat installers out there
i loved the oils but am really hating garret now..
he has become the thing he hated most and protested about for all those yrs...
all i want to know is what $$ they offering for ya soul these days...
not only sold himself but dragging us down the gurgler with him...
its not only him but the party as he is just a puppet up front who was popular once...
the string pullers need to be changed and we will get that chance soon...
hope the alternative mob can offer more...wont be too hard though...

[roosterman]

Originally Posted by Gambler

I don't pay much attention to politics. I don't get this, so I have 2 questions.
How can it be Garret's fault?
What exactly would he be sacked for?
As far as I know all he done was introduce the scheme.
He didn't go onsite and physicaly force anyone to do anything.
The greedy owners/managers of the companies contracted to install the bats are at fault in my eyes. They are the ones hiring young naive people and then forcing them to work in the conditions which ended up killing them.
What has Garret got to do with that?
Where were the safety officers, site foreman, work cover, unions even?
If 1 of my family were harmed or injured through being forced to work in a roof in rediculous heat, it would be the employer and foreman I'd want to
talk to and/or kill, not the politician who created the scheme.

I have no affiliation with anyone involved in politics in any way.

yes yr right and the companies involved will hopefully be held accountable...
garret and his mob are responsible for creating the environment for the rorts etc and have been well aware of issues for way too long..
seems sitting there doing nothing preying it all goes away doesnt work mr garret
he is prob snowed under with lots going on with advisers saying yep this is ok/do this/sign this/policy here is way to go/all checked sir/yes/yes/ no it will be fine were working on it ... so on it goes...
not excuses but how things work i geuss...

[reelaxation]

What a debarcle!
I think he is OK, but he should have stuck to Midnight Oil, he seemed to have made better contributions to the environment and indiginous relations in his past then what he has done in the present.





































I say "It's time to go... Peter Garrett ...... "




















... More thouble than he is worth

[Den]

He needs to go asap before he turns the murray into a marine park!
While we are at it, it would make good sense to F**k off Plenty Wrong as well.....

[simoman]

Here's another one going, Pauline Hanson has decided to pack up and f@#k off, off to Brittan. Supposedly she cant take the way Australia has developed as a country in the last few years, i don't blame her, but im not just gonna leave cause every other country is flocking here..

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/...-to-uk-report/

[Butcher]

Originally Posted by Gambler

I don't pay much attention to politics. I don't get this, so I have 2 questions.
How can it be Garret's fault?
What exactly would he be sacked for?
As far as I know all he done was introduce the scheme.
He didn't go onsite and physicaly force anyone to do anything.
The greedy owners/managers of the companies contracted to install the bats are at fault in my eyes. They are the ones hiring young naive people and then forcing them to work in the conditions which ended up killing them.
What has Garret got to do with that?
Where were the safety officers, site foreman, work cover, unions even?
If 1 of my family were harmed or injured through being forced to work in a roof in rediculous heat, it would be the employer and foreman I'd want to
talk to and/or kill, not the politician who created the scheme.

I have no affiliation with anyone involved in politics in any way.

The companies and their representatives who have done no staff training and broken laws should be persued - should be done by the govt and even unions not by the poor families to follow up

The government introduced the scheme in a hap hazard way and were clearly told the downsides but ignored them several times from all report and really blind freddy could work out what as going on. - they were negligent in carrying out their duty . PG has probably been poorly advised and for a smart guy I can't believe he didn't have the business sense to see what pumping that many $ into a unregulated industrywould do to it. But unless we want politicians in govt to take no responsibility for their actions we need a few heads kicked to wake the others up in the future.

PG had the obligation to spend our taxpayers money on a suitable scheme to prime the ecconomy and manage the process -fix problems as they arise- he didn't - out the door is my attitude and hope he gets replaced by someone who can manage the job placed in front of them.

He should be listed on the recall list just like a Toyota Prius - failed to put brakes on and failed to fix when they knew problems existed. Failed to put up better regulation or enforce existing regulations of provide specific funds to regulators to clean out scum operators.

So you reckon any funds will go to follow this up - not likely - more chance it will be spent on spin by advisors to push it under the carpet.

Maybe someone should build a pine box and deliver it to remnd them that their decisions and regulations are important not just paper on a desk in between doing concerts at the opera house and travelling the country.

"I have no affiliation with anyone involved in politics in any way"

I do. I hate all of them equally , I hate seeing my money wasted and no decisions taken and when they are they are so badly managed it shits me to tears - politicians need consequences and I don't mean an election that need a knife over their hear=d just like me and you do every day so we do our jobs properly.

This bloke has done so little for Australiaand teh environment in the last couple of years he shouldn't have a job. - insulation project is icing on teh cake he made.

[bobjf]

i don't think garret can be held responsible for deaths /injuries
yes he helped rubber stamp the deal but it is up to the companies & site supervisers to inforce safety & oh& s priciples.

push comes to shove ,workcover will hold them responsible for breach of oh& s
duty of care begins with the company & goes down the line to the employee.
if the employee is then required to work in an unsafe inviroment & there is an injury or death it goes back up the line with the offence breach becoming more exy' the higher it goes.
starting with the superviser/leadinghand,forman,manager to company owner

garret is none of the above,legaly he can't be held responcible
moraly the same,all they did was offer the insulation deal,the cowboys out for a quick buck & who don't give ratz are the guilty 1's,

you can blame howard's mob for the erosion of workcover/oh&s principles & rules
unions were not allowed on sites to inforce oh& s or even basic safety & oh& s was no longer inforced
oh& s committees became a thing of the past .

all garret didn't do was legislate against the pure greed of these scumbag insulation boss's.
this is nothing more than a beatup by the opposition & something both sides resort to to feather there own nests whenever they sence an oppotunity.
we the voter matter not to them untill theres an election on but anytime will do to sink the boot in to the otherside if they feel theres something to be scored out of it.

[fatsyd99]

being an old fogey please excuse my poor memory BUT mr wanker knew about this type of insulation being installed(previous reports from nz) and gave the go ahead --and did nothing after the first death, head is still stuck up arse in denial mode.
Using my poor memory again some of you guys may remember a number of years ego there was a big meeting of ratbags over in brazil- something about rainforest destruction-mr peter wanker was expected to attend being high profile anti anything person - and apologised profusely on the evening news -2 or 3 days later on news again complaining and pleading on behalf of mega rich record companies for the poor working class youth of australia to stop downloading illegal mp3 NAPSTER ETC ETC
fatso
I hope I dont offend any labor voters